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The canon hv40, an HDV cam, does true 24p. Check out my review on here.

Thanks you agree with my point which was what I wrote about. The badging leads some to believe that it is a 1080p camera which it is not. It records at 1080i just like everything else on the market in that product space.

And for the record there are better cameras out there. Canon's older HF100, which can be found for about the same price, is a lot more flexible in its manual controls and includes the external audio port.

[EVERIO]

A) Up until only very recently, the HDV Consortium (Composed of JVC, the developer of HDV I might add, SONY, SHARP, amongst others) did not include 1080p in the HDV standard. Your point is moot because only VERY EXPENSIVE professional cameras can record at 1080/30p, let alone the film industry standard 1080/24p HD camcorders.

B) At this point, NO CONSUMER camera records at 1080p, this however does not mean the camera is not a 1080p camera. This is where I take issue with your commentary. The video is recorded at 1080/60i, which really just means the odd lines are scanned once 30x and the even lines are scanned once 30x = 60 fields interlaced per second. So while 60 fields are scanned per second, the screen is scanned twice. Since with Progressive scanning, you're scanning in sequence (Not odds and evens), when the signal is de-interlaced, this translates into 30 fields per second.

Bottom line, if you connect this camcorder to a 1080p TV or burn the data to a BD, you will be looking at 1080p video upon playback. The camera uses very sophisticated algorithms to de-interlace, NOT “Upconvert” as you incorrectly stated, the video so the video outputed is up to 1080p. So what you're saying is moot in my opinion since the output is a true 1080p, regardless of the the actual image being captured at 1080/60i. The camera has a Digital Signal Processor (DSP) and proprietary software that handles this output conversion. The only case it really matters to record natively at 1080/30p is where the utmost image intregrity must be preserved. There is technically a very small amount of loss in de-interlacing the video, not much, but there is some. Obviously for professional usage, this becomes increasingly important.

Had you stated that no consumer cameras record at true 1080p, I would not have objected to your review. JVC has every right to state the camera is a 1080p camera if it's input and output is 1080p without upconversion. There is zero upconversion, there is de-interlacing, two very different things.

“It is not true that all televisions upconvert to progressive format. In
fact my older Panasonic CRT is a 1080i device. Not 1080p. Not 720p.
Regardless, the point is irrelevant – the camera's recording format is what
I questioned, not what some television might do with the video.”

[EVERIO]

Correct. I never said all TVs upconvert. 1080p TVs do de-interlace 1080i signals, this is why it's not likely HDTV will be broadcast anytime soon at anything more than 1080i. Broadcasting at 1080p would require too much bandwidth and would be pointless since TVs can de-interlace
so efficiently. We are talking 1080p, not about your old 1080i TV which can't handle 1080p. So
as I stated, above, if you connect the Everio to a 1080p TV, you will get 1080p video, not 1080i.

“Don't come on my site with insulting commentary when you don't take the time
to actually read what's written. Thanks.”

[EVERIO] Why post commentary and open up your commentary to comment, then complain when someone calls you on inaccuracy. If you're going to do this, I'm not sure why you have a comment box. To me, your commentary was insulting and misleading to me, so I responded as such. There is nothing personal in it, I just don't think it's fair of you however to make people think they got shafted on this camera with they in fact did not. The camera delivers in spades as advertised.

I do take issue with JVC's 1080/60p badging on the product tag. They are just saying their DSP and software can supporting de-interlacing to this progressive scan rate.

It is not true that all televisions upconvert to progressive format. In
fact my older Panasonic CRT is a 1080i device. Not 1080p. Not 720p.
Regardless, the point is irrelevant – the camera's recording format is what
I questioned, not what some television might do with the video.

Don't come on my site with insulting commentary when you don't take the time
to actually read what's written. Thanks.

-Lon

1080/60i displays as 1080/30p or 1080/50p depending on the TV. Shame on you for posting ignorant commentary without first understanding what it is you're saying. Do the math.

Further, most consumer camcorder devices record at 1080i and rely on the TV to de-interlace the i signal to Progressive. Get your facts straight.

I am a huge fan of the Canon cameras. I was sent a new HFS10 which I will be reviewing over the weekend. It is outstanding, can't wait to play with it more tonight.